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Sunday, October 27, 2013

What Is Appropriate For a Seven Year Old Re: the Topic of Death?

This entry in my blog is in response to a facebook discussion, part of which is copied below.

"Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the book series "Dog Tags" is appropriate for an elementary school. My second grader came home with books one and two today. The first lines of the book are, "It was a mile back to the medevac site, and I couldn't carry my best friend anymore. I stopped and felt the limp weight slung over my shoulder, too heave to go on."

From page 2: "My shirt was covered in blood. Only some of it was mine"

From page 3: "Sweat ran down my cheeks. I told myself it was sweat. I knew it wasn't sweat."

I'm no prude, but this is just not what I expect my 7 year old to come home with from the book fair."

This was the genesis of the discussion.

It continues:



    • people like this.
    • Rachel Fryd Kids love reading scary things, maybe your 2nd grader is interested in conflict or heroism? I read WAY worse stuff at that age, most of went over my head until I reread at an older age.
      October 24 at 9:05pm via mobile · Like
    • Lisa Shipe Henry I agree, that's a bit heavy for a 7 year old. My eldest is 7, and I don't think he's mature enough to understand what all of that implies.
      October 24 at 9:07pm via mobile · Like · 2
    • Rachel Fryd That being said my real concern is that those books look like they have shitty writing and no plot.
      October 24 at 9:07pm via mobile · Like · 2
    • Daniel Finan Aren't those books based on the experiences of Vietnam soldiers? I always had an obsession with Vietnam, even as a really young kid. Who knows where that interest comes from. But there really isn't too much in the way of casual war stories. Just gotta talk to him about it. Constant communication and all.
      October 24 at 9:27pm via mobile · Like · 3
    • Samantha Wales Sounds a bit heavy to me...science fiction gore seems more appropriate for that age or a bit lord but that is heavy.
      October 24 at 9:40pm via mobile · Like · 2
    • Jack Stevenson Doesn't it all depend on what kind of outcome you want to achieve with education? Is, as a general rule, a 7yr old emotionally and psychologically prepared for provocative content or is the purpose of content to reinforce sentence structure, words, vo...See More
      October 24 at 9:53pm · Like · 1
    • Jeremy Conners Jack, I'm not sure if everyone (anyone? ) will agree, but I like your angle. The more and sooner we are pushed, the better, IMO...that being said, I'm not a parent and maybe 7 is a little early...
      October 24 at 10:34pm via mobile · Like · 1
    • Ian Stevenson I don't want to hold my kids back in their interests. From a very early age, I was obsessed with war games, Rambo, et. al., and I still am, for that matter. I have no problem with him having an interest in conflict and heroism. I started reading the...See More
      October 24 at 11:24pm · Like · 1
    • Ian Stevenson I loved the book, Fallen Angels, for example. But I was 13 or 14 when I read it.

      http://www.amazon.com/.../dp/0545055768


      Fallen Angels
      www.amazon.com
      An exciting, eye-catching repackage of acclaimed author Walter Dean Myers' bests...See More
      October 24 at 11:27pm · Like
    • Jack Stevenson MY, real take on all this is : I see younger people who are or COULD BE parents being engaged in a very important discussion about education and children. A good thing, yes a very good thing IMO.
      October 24 at 11:43pm · Like · 2
    • Chris Wilson Have you considered a better book? A higher book? A Book of Mormon?
      Yesterday at 12:04am via mobile · Like · 2
    • Jessica Muse Lee My son bought them also. Pretty sure it was mainly for the dog tags. First and last time I send $ in for the book fair, we'll be going as a family from now on.
      Yesterday at 9:14am via mobile · Like · 1
    • Eric Fuller I definitely agree it sounds very heavy for a 7 year old, but at the same time I find myself wondering why I feel that way. What actual harm could arise from a child that age reading such material? On the flip side, what good arises from shielding our ...See More
      Yesterday at 9:32am · Edited · Like · 2
    • Eric Fuller Just saw your point about using a trinket to sell the book...I definitely agree that's a very good lesson opportunity that could pay huge dividends, especially in America.
      Yesterday at 9:35am · Like · 1
    • Chris Nelson Violet will be turning four in February. Is fifty shades of grey inappropriate for that age?
      Yesterday at 6:56pm · Like · 1
    • Chris Nelson I already bought it...
      Yesterday at 6:56pm · Like · 1
    • Ian Stevenson Chris, it's only appropriate if you get the Gilbert Gottfried audio book version.
      Yesterday at 7:29pm via mobile · Like · 1
    • Ian Stevenson Warning: Vulgar.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1RcKJVbHA


      Gilbert Gottfried Reads Fifty Shades of Grey

      See more at http://www.jest.com/ Be sure to follow Gilbert on Twitter (@realgilbert), and check out his website and his book.
      Yesterday at 7:31pm · Edited · Unlike · 1
    • Jack Stevenson I'll stand by my comments. It is not whether the subject matter is appropriate for a 7yo, but rather a matter of timing and presentation. 7 may be too young for some, not for others. Death is the final act of life but when to introduce the concept is the question that was raised.
      9 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Jack Stevenson





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So there you have the set up.

Let me begin by saying I was born on May 7th, 1945.  That is the day that WWII (World War Two) for my younger readers.  The next day May 8th, 1945 the surrender was signed and that's the anniversary we celebrate.  I was born, Germans quit!

So I grew up in the 40's and 50's and was out of high school in 1963.  Before most of the readers of this were born.

World War Two was not the fading memory in those days that it is today.  It was fresh in everyone's mind.  Me and my generation didn't have Star Wars, or Spider Man, we had John Wayne, movies about Guadalcanal , D day, the Great Escape, Battle Cry, etc.  We had heroes, war for freedom, fighting against the evil Adolf Hitler, etc, etc. etc.

Now we know a lot of it was a bunch of crap, but that's NOT the point.  Nationalism in the USA was strong.  There were NOT as many "wounded warriors" as there are today because medicine was not as evolved and transport was not as sophisticated, and so forth.  If you were wounded like many of our soldiers in Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afganistan you just bled out and died.

But there WERE heroes.  Some alive and many dead.  Again, it was an age of great national pride and optimism, and Nationalism.

As children, we played cowboys and  Indians, and we played WAR.  We all (Well, almost all) had our dad's steal pot helmet or his ruck sack, a real sailor hat, or some other WWII paraphernalia.

People died in our movies but the graphic blood and gore didn't evolve until the 60's and onward.

In my lifetime, there has been a sea change in social behavior.  It sounds silly but all of these changes were super significant at the time.  I taught in a private school where kids, girls who wore pants to school, like jeans, were expelled and boys whose hair was like the Beatles or President John F. Kennedy, were also expelled and came to our school.  Women trashed their bras, only to have their tits sag to their knees by the time they were thirty and buy new ones.  We passed the equal rights amendment, etc.  So a lot of changes and they in turn influenced where society went.

Now back to the issue at hand.  With all the changes and cultural shifts certain things did/do NOT change.

An infant's brain still develops at about the same rate it has for millennia.  How the brain is influenced has not changed.  Physical and mental development has remained marginally the same.  The population has grown geometrically.  So less and less can we act or behave totally independent of the rest of the global community (in this case global = a neighborhood or town or school).  Because we are all too closely linked to one another in one way or another.

I believe there are segments, well publicized, of the population who desire that their children "mature" more quickly, and "engage" in the wider culture "earlier".  Although a minority view, they vocalize it as a "superior" view, a more enlightened view.  You may agree, but I assure you you are in a very small minority.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States).

So, are the books appropriate? If, as a parent, you don't think so, let the kid have the dog tags, and replace the books with something you think is appropriate.  Bambi is a story about a deer (written by an Austrian,  Felix Salten, which contains love, death, danger and a hero.  Maybe Bambi is a good start for a seen year old.  The Lion King has it's moments too.

Those are just my thoughts.






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